
When pop is as good as classical


Yesterday's blog post about "classical buzz," in which I suggested that pop music has excitement around it that classical could use more of, got me into moderately warm water with some of my classical musician friends. Unsurprisingly, they tend to see the kind of music they do as the best. As well they should; if they didn't, they probably wouldn't be very good at what they do. I put my own thoughts about whether classical is better than other music into words several posts ago. Brief quote: "Sometimes, but not always. And in some ways, but not in all ways."
Often, when "classical is better" advocates support their position, they choose examples that tilt the scales in their favor. "A Mahler Symphony," they might say, "has to be better than the mass-produced pablum on the radio, or than a scruffy band making a deafening racket to an audience of two dozen stoners." Well, of course it is. A Mahler Symphony is also better than 99% of other classical music. And there's also pop that's much, much better than the above truly frightening examples. So this argument doesn't tell me anything.
But let's compare apples with apples, or better put, one Himalaya vs. another. Is a new CD of a Mahler Symphony better than the Beatles' "White Album?" No question, the Mahler could be glorious. It's also the umpteenth recording of the same music, and even if done better than most of them, probably wouldn't add much that is new to the annals of music. Few recordings of the standard classical repertoire do, and those rare exceptions, such as Glenn Gould's "Goldberg Variations" are just that, exceptional.
The "White Album,"on the other hand, is completely different from anything before or since. It's the crowning statement by a unique team of artists who helped shape a generation, and I don't mean just their music. It's held up superbly for 40 years and counting, and can still be listened to with the greatest pleasure and admiration. And if I were forced to do so, I would say yes, it's as good as any recording of Mahler (flame shields UP!).

OK, that's how I hear things at the most exalted level. How about when it comes to everyday music? I get lots of CDs of new classical music, and try to honor each with at least a quick listen. Most of them, I have to say, are utterly mediocre. When something stands out from the pack — what a relief! The same goes with my peregrinations through the world of modern pop, mostly of the indie-rock variety. Since I'm listening more for pleasure than business, I can be more selective. Still, rare and precious is the CD that really tickles my fancy. As did the group Deerhoof's new "Breakup Song," which came out last week. Inventive, ingenious, crackling with energy, razor-sharp in execution and filled with personality, it's a fabulous recording. And yes, it's better than most of the crappy classical music I have to wade through to find the good stuff. As to whether I've unfairly tipped the scales by comparing a top-notch pop CD with mediocre classical pieces — if it helps to illustrate my point, two can play at that game!
P.S. Speaking of glorious new Mahler, the Symphony No. 1 with Iván Fischer and the Budapest Festival Orchestra will be broadcast Friday afternoon on WFCR.









Comments
"Speaking of glorious"
lots of classical, not so much Beatles...
of course, then there's the obvious best song of the 70's - Awaken by Yes.
not to mention the best song of the 90's - That, That Is by Yes...
of course, Yes has the Beatles to thank as precursors...
anonumass
White Album the pinnacle?
Great article John! I am a lifelong Beatles fan and have also studied classical music in college. While I am rock n roll at heart, I enjoy a rousing symphony and sultry jazz as well.
However, I don't know that the White Album is the pinnacle of Beatles' achievement. Of course most people peg Sgt. Peppers as the Beatles' crowning statement, while others recognize that Sgt. Peppers is a continuation of the innovation started in Revolver, and that that is where the road forks in their catalogue. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on why you peg the pinnacle at the White Album.
~Morriss Partee
Sgt. Pepper vs. The White Album
Thanks, Morris! I'm also in awe of Sgt. Pepper, which was indeed a life-changing album for 12-year old me. But the White Album...sweeping, comprehensive, with enormous range, subime to ridiculous, gritty blues to tender ballads to hard rockers to comic parodies to electronic freak-outs to heartstopping intimacy. Plus, some of George Harrison's best, which is a very good thing. Talk about comparing Himalayas!
Love it all
Sgt Pepper was a joyful surprise for 27-year old me, too -- and I loved and still love how all generations respond to the Beatles! My son Morriss was born the year it came out, and I remember when he was maybe 1 and a half he was spontaneously dancing to it (and so was I!) And now his son loves the Beatles too -- sometimes we all do Beatles Rock Band together -- love it!
This classical vs pop stuff reminds me of how in high school I discovered that a classmate thought he didn't like classical music but admitted not knowing any; but he probed and found out I was equally ignorant of and biased against jazz and blues. So the next day we each brought in a record for the other to borrow -- I lent him Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet and he lent me Fats Domino's Blueberry Hill -- two converts were made that day, and both of our worlds got a little wider!
As my old Swarthmore predecessor (he finished the year before I started) Peter Schikele likes to say, if it sounds great it is great!
Too darned hot?
No heat from me, John. I started my radio career playing alternative rock in Worcester, MA, slowing evolving into jazz and classical, so I find my feet straddling many musical lines. Do I love classical? You know I do! But the visceral thrill of a brilliant Radiohead CD or a gorgeous ballad (John Hiatt's "Have a Little Faith in Me" comes to mind immediately) surely matches the best recording of Beethoven's 7th. And yes, I too slog through mounds of mediocre classical CD's every week...as I'm sure the rock music directors also ford through piles of pukey pop. All that counts in the end is whether it hits your heart.
One question, though: does your assessment include "Revolution No. 9?"
~Julia
Julia... interestingly
Julia... interestingly Revolution 9 is indeed extremely avantgarde as appearing on an otherwise pop album. I studied electronic music in college in the late 80s and discovered that this piece is actually relatively typical of the genre that became known as electronic music in that era. The signature of this era/ style is experimentation with tape loops and tape manipulation, and also experimentation with early synthesizers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_music
~Morriss Partee
Revolution No. 9?
Yes, I include it. I know that many find it stupid and pretentious. But, not knowing my Stockhausen, Cage, etc. when the album came out, it was the first long experimental electronic piece I got to know, and I admit to thinking it was pretty cool. Put it this way -- I never skipped over it. Even now, I think it holds up as well (or at least no worse) than other similar things from the era. In any case, it's a permanent testament to the Yoko-izaton of the Beatles and helps to catpure the zeitgeist.
I love the White Album,
I love the White Album, definitely an example of a pop music statement that stands up to the best in classical music. I see no merit in the song "Don't pass me by" though. Maybe they had to include it to keep Ringo from walking off the job.
and if we think it doesn't happen in classical music...
... and if w think petty ploitical rivalries, debts and intrigues haven't influenced what got on to many classical music recordings, concert programs and series, we're delusional!
Even "Don't pass me by..."
...has a goofy charm that I enjoy. And the combination of organ and fiddle is quite toothsome! Out of context, maybe not, but in context, it works for me.