Bruce Hornsby’s Modern Classical Moment

Bruce Hornsby cracked the music world three decades ago, making smooth, contemplative piano-pop with his band The Range. But if “The Way It Is” is how you remember him today, you’ve missed a lot. Since his hitmaking days in the 1980s, Hornsby has been a touring member of the Grateful Dead, gone bluegrass with Ricky Skaggs and played jazz with Wayne Shorter and Charlie Haden. On his new album, a double-disc live collection called Solo Concerts, Hornsby goes a step further by experimenting with 20th-century classical music.

Hornsby spoke with weekends on All Things Considered guest host Tess Vigeland about why these modern, often avant-garde compositions aren’t as out of place in a pop artist’s repertoire as they might seem. Hear the radio version at the audio link, and read more below.

Tess Vigeland: You’ve written some lovely liner notes for the new album, and you open with this: “Dedicating oneself to the pursuit of the unattainable is a beautiful way to live a life.” What about your career in music have you considered “unattainable”?

Bruce Hornsby: Let’s just take the study of the piano. The literature of the piano — if you consider so many different styles and take classical music as a part of it — you could spend two lifetimes and not deal with the totality of the literature that’s been written for the piano. I started at age 17, junior year of high school, so I got a really late start. In the classical world, they say if you haven’t started by, say, age 7 or so, then forget trying to be a classical pianist, a virtuoso who makes his living playing concerts. That’s one area where this is clearly the pursuit of the unattainable. I’m interested in virtuosity on the piano, and I try to deal with it on an intense level, but that is totally an unattainable area for me.

Well, given that you started at 17, I have to say that there is virtuosity on display here: You have really difficult, technical stuff going on, with runs and tremolos. What it was about the style of these 20th-century composers that attracted you?

When I was at Berklee College of Music, you could go to the Boston Public Library and borrow records like you would borrow books. For some reason I was drawn to the 20th-century music. Charles Ives was a huge favorite of mine and still is. In fact, I almost got sued: One of my first singles, “Every Little Kiss,” had an intro that was sort of an homage to Ives. I was basically paraphrasing the third movement of his Concord Sonata — it’s called “The Alcotts.”

But what really got me deeply involved in it was, in 2003, I signed with Columbia Records. I had been at RCA for 18 years. And one of the greatest aspects of being a Columbia recording artist is, they allow you to raid their vaults. Columbia Records has one of the greatest catalogs of any label ever. So I had them send me 176, 177 CDs.

Whoa.

And I filled in a lot of areas in the classical area that I had been interested in but had not really dealt with — because it’s so vast. I got most of the Glenn Gould catalog. I realized that he was very much into 20th century music, and certain music in particular: Schoenberg, [Anton] Webern, Alban Berg — what they call the Second Viennese School of composition. And I realized that his aesthetic was, he was not really into romantic music. He really loved the rigor and sort of spartan aesthetic of Bach, and modern music. I think he thought that they were kindred spirits, and at that point in my career, I sort of felt the same way. So I started working on certain pieces that moved me. It just broadened my horizons.

Let’s take an example here of how you’ve kind of incorporated all these different parts of your own musicality. You segue from this boogie-woogie piece of yours called “Preacher in the Ring” to a couple of compositions, one by Webern and this wild piece by Elliott Carter. What do you want us to hear? What are you saying here?

I guess what I’m saying is that this music that I’ve been so interested in for a good number of years now allows for a greater depth and variety of expression. If I’m singing a song that I’ve written about the snake-handling congregations of Appalachia, and it’s sort of a bluesy boogie piece, I could just play the standard sort of blues-based music in the right hand. But I feel like that’s a little straight, and goes down a little too easy. So I use that as an excuse to [include] these pieces. The Webern piece, which is very pointillistic, and the Carter piece, which is atonal and sort of a perpetual-motion piece — they feel to me like they’re evocative of the lyrics, evocative of the scene I’m painting with the words.

When you strut out on stage in front of a crowd that fell in love with The Range 25 years ago, they’re not necessarily expecting to hear an atonal piano piece. I wonder, do you talk to them about the set? Do you talk to them about what to listen for as you’re playing?

I do. I talk to them. But these are sort of tried and true for me: I’ve been playing these pieces for the past couple of years in my solo concerts, and it just always goes over fantastically.

Sure, there are some people there who are there for a nostalgic reason. I try to be nice to them, and every few songs, play one of those songs. But there’s a very sizable contingent of people there who wish I would never play those songs. They understand they have to sort of suffer through them, because they know why I’m doing it, but they really wish I wouldn’t. It makes it so that I sort of get yelled at by both factions; I just catch it from all sides. But that’s fine. It’s my lot in life because I’ve continued to move on, and I haven’t stayed the same. And that’s, to me, the way a musical life should be: Keep on pushing, keep on evolving and changing.

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Transcript :

TESS VIGELAND, HOST:

You’re listening to ALL THINGS CONSIDERED from NPR West. I’m Tess Vigeland.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “THE WAY IT IS”)

BRUCE HORNSBY: (Singing) That’s just the way it is. Some things will never change.

VIGELAND: If this is the way you remember pianist and songwriter Bruce Hornsby, well, you’ve missed a lot. Since his hit-making days of the 1980s, Hornsby toured for years with the Grateful Dead. He’s gone bluegrass with Ricky Skaggs. He’s played jazz with Wayne Shorter and Charlie Haden. And now, on his new double album called “Solo Concerts,” Bruce Hornsby is experimenting with 20th-century classical compositions.

(SOUNDBITE OF ALBUM, “SOLO CONCERTS”)

VIGELAND: For this new live album, Bruce Hornsby’s written a lovely set of liner notes. You remember those, right? And he opens with this – dedicating oneself to the pursuit of the unattainable is a beautiful way to live a life.

HORNSBY: Let’s just take the study of the piano. You could spend two lifetimes and not deal with the totality of the literature that’s been written for the piano. And I, as a late starter – I started at age 17, junior year of high school. So I got a really late start. Certainly in the classical world they say if you haven’t started by saying age 7 or so, then forget trying to be a classical pianist – a virtuoso – who makes his living playing concerts. That’s one area where this is clearly the pursuit of the unattainable for me. Because I’m interested in virtuosity on the piano and I try to deal with it on an intense level. But that is totally an unattainable area for me.

VIGELAND: Well, given that you started at 17, I have to say there is virtuosity on display here. I mean, I’m a pianist myself. Well, this album presents a very different way to listen to some of your music – very much through the lens of 20th-century classical composition. I wonder what it was about those composers that attracted you – I mean, Schoenberg, for one, as opposed to, say, Chopin or Bach.

HORNSBY: OK, well, when I was at Berklee College of Music, you could go to the Boston Public Library and borrow records like you would borrow books. For some reason, I was drawn to the 20th-century music. Charles Ives was a huge favorite of mine and still is.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “EVERY LITTLE KISS”)

HORNSBY: In fact, I almost got sued. One of my first singles, “Every Little Kiss,” had an intro that was sort of a homage to Ives.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “EVERY LITTLE KISS”)

HORNSBY: I was basically paraphrasing the beginning of the third movement of his “Concord Sonata.” It’s called “The Alcott.”

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “EVERY LITTLE KISS”)

HORNSBY: But fast forward – what really got me deeply involved in it – OK, in 2003, I signed with Columbia Records. I’d been at RCA for 18 years. And one of the greatest aspects of being a Columbia recording artist is they allow you to raid their vaults. So I had them send me 176 – 177 CDs.

VIGELAND: Whoa.

HORNSBY: And I filled in a lot of areas in the classical area that I had been interested in but have not really dealt with because it’s so vast. I got most of the Glenn Gould catalog.

(SOUNDBITE OF GLENN GOULD SONG)

HORNSBY: And I realized that he was not really into romantic music. He really loved the rigger and – I don’t know – just sort of Spartan aesthetic of Boch and modern music. And I think maybe he thought that they were kindred spirits. And I sort of felt that that point in my career that I felt the same way. And so I started working on certain pieces that moved me. You know, it just broadened my horizons.

(SOUNDBITE OF GLENN GOULD SONG)

VIGELAND: Let’s take an example here of how you’ve kind of incorporated all these different parts of your own musicality and you segue from this boogie-woogie piece of yours called “Preacher In The Ring…”

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “PREACHER IN THE RING”)

HORNSBY: (Singing) Well, wrap the snake and watch them all sting as they go ten rounds with the preacher in the ring.

VIGELAND: …To a couple of compositions – one by Webern and this wild piece by Elliott Carter.

(SOUNDBITE OF BRUCE HORNSBY SONG)

VIGELAND: What do you want us to hear? What are you saying here?

HORNSBY: I guess what I’m saying is that this music that I have been so interested in for a good number of years now allows for a greater depth and variety of expression. And so if I’m seeing a song that I’ve written about the snake-handling congregations of Appalachia and it’s sort of a bluesy, boogie like as you mentioned, I could just play the standard sort of blues-based music in the right hand if I’m soloing over it. But I feel like that’s a little straight and a little – kind of goes down a little too easy. So I used that as an excuse to put these pieces – the Weber piece which is very pointallistic and the Carter piece which is atonal and sort of a perpetual motion piece – they feel to me like they are evocative of the lyrics. They’re evocative of the scene that I’m painting with the words.

(SOUNDBITE OF BRUCE HORNSBY SONG)

VIGELAND: So when you strut out on stage in front of a crowd that fell in love with your work…

HORNSBY: When I strut out, yeah, with Elton John costume. Yeah, that’s really me.

VIGELAND: (Laughter) They’re not necessarily expecting to hear an atonal piano piece. I wonder – I mean, do you talk to them about the set? Do you talk to them about what to listen for as you’re playing?

HORNSBY: I do. I talk to them, but here’s the deal. These are sort of tried-and-true for me. I’ve been playing these pieces for the past couple of years in my solo concerts. Sure, there are some people there who are there for nostalgic reasons.

And I try to be nice to them and every few songs play one of those songs. But there’s a very sizable contingent of people there who wish I would never play those songs. So frankly, it makes it so I get sort of yelled at by both factions. I just catch it from all sides. But that’s fine. It is my light in life because I continue to move on, and I haven’t stayed the same. And that’s – to me – is the way a musical life should be. Keep on pushing. Keep on evolving and changing.

VIGELAND: That’s Bruce Hornsby. His latest album is called “Solo Concerts.” It comes out on Tuesday. Mr. Hornsby, it’s been an absolute pleasure. Thank you so much for talking with us.

HORNSBY: Thanks a lot.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “THE VALLEY ROAD”)

HORNSBY: (Singing) She came back around like nothing really happened. Left him standing on Old Valley Road. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.